giacomo
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Post by giacomo on Aug 9, 2009 16:20:01 GMT -5
ALL MEMBERS: Season 2 is in its last week, with next week reserved for make-ups and the following two weeks reserved for season-ending match plays. So Season 3 of the WiiGA is rapidly approaching, and it's time to start figuring out what we want next season to look like. For newcomers, Season 1 of the WiiGA had 10 two-round tournaments covering 10 weeks, all posted at the start of the season. We assigned not only settings for each tournament, but also assigned which stock profile was to be used for each tourney. In the days of the DGA, we used our own profiles, but still had 10 two-round tournaments. Season 2 of the WiiGA had just 4 weeks with a one-round Pro and a one-round Am tournament published weekly based on the EA Live Weekly tourneys. Remember that we kept this season short to try out how TW10 and the WiiGA were going to work together. Both seasons enjoyed active member-generated tourney in the Lab, but those tourneys did not count toward season standings. So. I'm starting this thread and will collect your ideas through Friday, August 14. Over next weekend I'll put together some proposals for Season 3 based on your ideas and run them past the other admins. During the 1st match play week we'll probably need to do some surveying, but then during the 2nd week of match play we intend to land on a plan for Season 3 and begin work on setting up the boards to handle the new season. The bottom line is, we need your help! Please post your ideas about what you want included in Season 3. We'll use as many of your suggestions as possible, keeping in mind that the final plan will have to hold together coherently so our many members can participate and have the fun they signed up for. Let's hear from you! Thanks! Giacomo
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jeffro09
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Post by jeffro09 on Aug 9, 2009 16:43:33 GMT -5
G-
Here are some of my thoughts.
I think the shorter season maximizes participation as a prolonged season is difficult for many of the memebers schedules while once again allowing at least 1 and possibly two weeks for make up. Another 4 week season if 1 week for make up and 5 or 6 weeks if two weeks allowed for make up.
Once again Utilizing your profile player and if anyone has not built up their profile the option for the use of a stock player up to Tiger Woods.
I suggest that any style putting can be used based on personal preferance. I do recall PappaG's concerns that Classic Style is easier. If that is true then everyone can still opt for the style they consider to be the easiest or best for them as it relates to scoring.
Now the added twist. Instead of having an AM and Pro tourney just have a handicapping single tourney each week. By that I mean that you have everyone playing the same courses on the same settings. But based on skill level you eliminate the available aids based on the skills of that individual.
The least experienced players are allowed everything including AHO's. The most experienced may have none of the features allowed.
I know it may be difficult to determine exactly where each player falls. Of course we could play a member wide qualifier that may determine a base line for all new players and then cross reference that with the results for the season II tourney results.
Another option is to have everyone use the same features and have the pin position be based on skill level along with wind levels etc. The only problem with that would be that it would limit who you could play your rounds with. Making this the least desirable option.
At the end of the season you could then roll into a Fed X cup style playoff leading to the championship on the final week.
Just some initial thoughts for someone to build on to.
Jeffro
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Post by hoghead on Aug 9, 2009 17:21:34 GMT -5
G- I think the shorter season maximizes participation as a prolonged season is difficult for many of the memebers schedules while once again allowing at least 1 and possibly two weeks for make up. Another 4 week season if 1 week for make up and 5 or 6 weeks if two weeks allowed for make up. Actually there was a 40% drop after week one and a 50% drop after week 3. This is nothing new with the weekly deadline thing though. Once some players miss the deadline they lose interest.
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Post by skyhawk on Aug 10, 2009 17:19:45 GMT -5
Giacomo,
I believe that our first season of WiiGA league was the best. We were able to play any of the courses that we could during the ten weeks we had. It was more laid back and easy going. I liked the stock players that we used also , but I would like to play with my own player also. There was never a deadline for us to weary about. We all had no problem doing all ten weeks on the first season of WiiGA.
I hope ya"ll will go back to something like that.
Thanks for listing to us.
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Post by neil29679 on Aug 10, 2009 17:42:57 GMT -5
i would agree that a shorter season of 5-6 weeks would be of most benifit, with new members arriving at different stages throughout a season it gives them the option to catch up or wait for the next.
agree that putting should be any style.
as for handicapping. i would agrre this has some merit. i would propose that since its difficult to gague ability levels that the 1st tourney should be the same difficulty for all. then after that if you finish top 5 in an event you should be forced to play the next on pro.
as for the current top 300 ranking/replay rule this is also inaccurate at determining ability. this could be replaced by a system where throughout the week if you currently stand in the top 5 you cant replay but if at any point before the deadline you drop out its game on again. this would encourage activity from both players in and out of the top 5 making sunday evening a very active and exciting period.
as for stock characters i wouldnt have a problem with this but would prefer to see it used only once or twice a season. the same applies to severe settings.
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Post by gandalf122872 on Aug 10, 2009 20:59:20 GMT -5
i would say that the any style putting is a good idea in an amatuer tourn only I also like the short season but i think instead of deadlining it for each week just post the settings and then give people the rest of the season to get it played
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TheJokker
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Post by TheJokker on Aug 10, 2009 23:07:43 GMT -5
Well, I am game for just about anything . . . What Jeffro suggested sounds very good, different skill settings for Pro's vs. Amateur's. Pro's (300 or above on any Leader Board) must use advanced settings, Amateur's can use ANY settings. This way we have a single event each week, with 2 Leader Boards, Pro & Amateur, with play-offs in both.
I do feel the 4 week tourney is a bit to short, but the 10 week is a bit to long, how about 6 weeks ? Perhaps we could have a couple of those weeks using Stock players, the rest using profile golfers, mix it up. I prefer profile golfer of course, but whats wrong with mixing it up ?
Just my thoughts, TheJokker
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Post by caddyhack3 on Aug 11, 2009 0:16:51 GMT -5
I'm new here, but I'll weigh in. I think 6 to 7 weeks in a good time frame. There should be different rules for the different levels. I don't really care for the handicap system. Plus, it makes more work for the people running the leagues, which they may not have more of. As far as stock or profile players, I have no objection either way.
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Post by tiger666 on Aug 11, 2009 8:07:06 GMT -5
My 2 cents worth: I think the four week "season" followed by a make up week and then the match play finals are just about right. I just looked at the leader boards after four weeks: Only three members have completed the amateur tour and the pro tour.
I'm not sure a longer season would improve participation. I DO like the idea of maybe a six week season, with three weeks using stock players and three weeks using our profile players. Sounds like a good change of pace.
As to handicapping, I tend to agree with caddyhack .... it seems as if it would put a lot more work on the shoulders of those in control.
HOWEVER ~ a handicapping system that would insure a win for me would be very welcome!
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Post by quistopher on Aug 12, 2009 19:07:41 GMT -5
Handicapping is interesting but how would you make it fair? When I look at the stats of my profile golfer so far I have, 22 rounds 66.1 avg score 56 best round +14 Handicap
I prefer standard swing & precision putting when I play a round.
I do wish you could choose other types of golf when you setup an online match, hopefully that will be in Tiger 11 but we could try some things on paper, Match Play or Skins?
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Post by broflowski on Aug 12, 2009 19:45:53 GMT -5
I liked the 4 week season, but I think a longer season with no time limits (play at your own pace) would work well also. I also like having the same settings for am and pro but having two separate leaderboards. I would also like to see some "stock profile" challenges.
I hadn't seen any match play suggestions before Chris just mentioned it, but I think it would be pretty easy to do within the wiiga but I'm not sure how it would work for season 3 since it's open to everyone. Chris, if you set up a March Madness tourney match play style I'd def be game (labs section?).
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giacomo
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Post by giacomo on Aug 17, 2009 11:51:29 GMT -5
Thanks for all your input so far. I'll begin posting polls today that will try to refine preferences so that we can get the new season underway on schedule. You will have until Sunday to vote and post your reactions. In the meantime, you can continue to post here if you have other thoughts about the upcoming season.
Thanks! G.
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clay
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Post by clay on Aug 17, 2009 13:23:33 GMT -5
you have to remember alot of people dont have there profile built up to where they want it to be dont want to make it to tough for any one but dont want to make it to easy.
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