giacomo
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Post by giacomo on Jul 6, 2009 18:00:01 GMT -5
Looks like we need one more poll. There's been some confusion over the number of rounds everyone will have to play to be competitive. The original intent was Answer 1- 1 daily + 1 weekly tournament = 5 rounds/week plus any member tournaments that may be available such as TheJokker's team challenge.
There's been some concern that the intended total would require too much of a time commitment. So- let us know if there's a better combination to try. The options above range from 2 rounds a week (2 dailys) to 6 rounds (2 dailys plus a weekly). This is, of course, the base number of rounds for competition. Member tourneys would add rounds, and practice rounds would also increase the amount of time involved. Season 1's time commitment was 2 rounds per week + member tourneys (for those who wanted to participate).
Remember that practice rounds must be played either with other WiiGA members in simultaneous play or offline. You must submit scores from the first attempt at a live tournament round. You can replay the live tournament if you wish, but only the first attempt is allowed for WiiGA ranking.
Anyway, let us know- what's the right number and combination of live tournaments to use this season?
G.
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Post by clay on Jul 6, 2009 20:59:44 GMT -5
what about play the pros i enjoy playing those really tough i play the bethesda tourny play the pros and finished 3rd
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Post by giacomo on Jul 7, 2009 0:17:47 GMT -5
I didn't include play the pros because I wasn't sure if there was going to be a tournament each week. The other side of that coin is, so what if there isn't? Since all members would have the same opportunity to play (disregarding personal schedules), then any that occur would affect all equally. Net, if others feel the same way, we could include them. Note, however, that the biggest concern so far has been the amount of time multiple rounds might demand. Adding Play the Pros would increase the total further.
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Post by mrruck on Jul 7, 2009 19:32:53 GMT -5
well im really lost how many rounds are we talking here. what is a daily round. I know i won't be able to hook up with a member every day.
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Post by giacomo on Jul 7, 2009 22:12:53 GMT -5
Option 1, which so far has the most votes, would allow posting for one daily tournament a week and one weekly tournament a week. There is a pro level daily tournament and an amateur level tournament each day, each tournament consisting of one round. The weekly tournament also has a pro and an amateur level. The maximum number of rounds you could submit for, then, is 10 during a week-- 1 round for one amateur daily tourney + 1 round for one pro daily tourney + 4 rounds for 1 amateur weekly tourney + 4 rounds for 1 pro tourney.
This would result in 4 score postings indicating the number of strokes above or below par for each of the tourneys played. Of course, you are not required to play that many tourneys. You could focus on pro or am, on daily tourneys only, or on any combination. Remember that it hasn't yet been decided if there will be 2 leaderboards, one for pro and one for am with equal payouts, or 1 leaderboard with differential payouts for pro and am. In case anyone is wondering, I voted for 2 leaderboards, because I think it will be cleaner than the original proposal.
And thank you for asking, because my initial explanation was incorrect. This corrects the record.
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Post by pappag on Jul 7, 2009 23:25:31 GMT -5
I first have to say I'm a huge fan of WiiGA and enjoy the great competition and tips. What ever Season 2 consists of I will support. That said consider the following two things: A. There should be no daily, since the course changes each day (I've never played it, but I assume so), some courses are tougher to play so we may not be comparing apples to apples when the scores come in. What is the value of having to playing a daily if your doing the weekly? B. There should have 3 leaderboards (I volunteer to manage them): -Weekly Amature (play by yourself with aids) -Weekly Pro (play by yourself without aids) -Lab League (play head to head, anything goes based upon the rules of the creator) This will allow members to choose their favorite style of play and choose their level of commitment. You can strive to be the best 'raw' pro player, the best aided amature, or the best adaptable player with on lab league play where anything goes (aids and no aids). I urge any member creating a Lab League to allow the members to play that tourney as many times as they like and submit their best score. This will keep members coming back to the chat room to replay and get a better score. I know this breaks tradition of wiiga were your 'official' round is your score, but allowing as much replay as possible for a better score will keep the chat room full and allow members to complete their rounds since there will be others in the chat room looking for the same game. Without this replay rule what incentive is there to keep coming back to the chat room once you have completed you 'official' round? Nothing worse than wanting to fullfill your head to head commitments for a tourney and finding no one in the chat room.
Lastly G, please plaace a link to the poll in all your messages, if you just go to the page to view the most recent 25 messages you may not Know where to go, took me a bit to find http://wiigatour.proboards.com./index.cgi?board=soap&action=display&thread=352&page=1
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Post by neil29679 on Jul 8, 2009 4:19:33 GMT -5
many good points Pappa.
i would deffinitly agree with the 3 leaderboards, this gives members the option to participate in all or only the playing styles they like and still lets them be competitive on a leaderboard.
this is a must Giacomo, i dont even think this needs a poll its a no brainer. ( i too would be willing to manage a leaderboard, a memeber per leaderboard would reduce the commitment needed to upkeep each board)
as for using dailys and weeklys, i do see the point of only weeklys as this would ensure all players were playing the same course. but having an option to post 1 of your daily scores would not bother me. this decision probably does need yet another poll.
finally on the issue of multiple retrys for lab events. although i do see the value in it from a social point of encouraging members to play together more. the big draw back with this is that on almost every event the top players will post scores of 45-48. it is very rare i shoot this low no matter how often i try. but when we use the official method of play i know i can get a good day and some of the top guys can have an off day giving me the chance of a top 5 finish. my only suggestion could be to allow practice and official rounds to be played together. as long as all parties cleary stated their intention prior to play. not sure about this one though.
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Post by giacomo on Jul 8, 2009 9:21:43 GMT -5
Thinking about the 3 leaderboard issue, I don't think I agree that 3 are needed. Assuming 2 (though that poll is still open) for a minute, the notion is one pro and one am. The difference between pro and am, generally, is pro requires advanced swing, no putt meter or preview, and no spin. Member tournaments can therefore be classified as pro or am based on the rules established by the member running the tournament: if standard swing, spin, and the putting aids are allowed, it's an amateur tournament and results go to the am board. If it's advanced swing, no spin, and no putting aids, it goes to the pro board. I'm in favor of two boards, and think that our member tournaments can conform without requiring a 3rd board. Remember that the premise for season 2 is that you're earning money. It doesn't matter which tournament or what kind of tournament- just what rank order you finish in.
Final point- this is just my opinion. If the members want 3 boards in the end, it's the admins' job to make it happen.
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Post by giacomo on Jul 8, 2009 9:31:57 GMT -5
A further thought on the member tourney replays item. I think that's entirely within the scope of decisions the member can make when setting up the tourney. I have absolutely no problem if a member wants to sponsor a tourney with replays, or if a member wants an "official round" approach. That's one of the reasons for encouraging member tourneys!
G.
PS- PappaG- thanks for the suggestion on posting the link. Done.
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