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Post by ian1983 on Jun 21, 2009 21:45:58 GMT -5
I just found this out today kind of by accident on my last round on the weekly pro course (no putt preview)... If you're within the 6 or 7 yards on the green and you chip, you actually have unlimited 'putt previews' (since it shows the path of the chip for about 90% of the way). Has anyone else been doing this? (it feels kind of cheap)
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Post by fredsc on Jun 22, 2009 19:20:56 GMT -5
this bug/oversight is causing somewhat of a stink on the ea forums. tried it for myself couple days ago. I think the issue is that they always give you a preview arc to your shot, but seems to be a predetermined amount of time (a few seconds) that the arc is shown. No problem for your regular shots, but they should have considerably shortened the preview arc time for chipping and pitching, but just didn't seem to care one way or another. You can apparently do this even on the online pro tour stuff. pretty much ruins the competitiveness in those, as they often have pretty tough conditions and this is a huge crutch that people can use without anyone knowing. and the problem with the question in the first place, is you know NOBODY who actually uses this trick will ever admit to it. It's not like you get to see everyone's post game stats like chip-ins or anything to be able to catch them even after the fact. They really dropped the ball this year by not allowing all game setup options to be selectable by host online, and this chip thing is another huge mistake on their part. IMO, they're still way lazy on the development of their online structure all around. They talk about the simultaneous play like it's a feature, when it's really pretty much a copout around synch and netcode work that would let people slow play and watch each other swing like back on the pc versions. Would have been perfect to have slow play and wiispeak support along with the introduction of M+. Am guessing they want one innovation at a time to keep us hungry for improvements in new versions every year. I wouldn't be surprised to find out many of the top scorers online use the chip bug. That's why I dont' bother ever doing the online tour with the thought of trying to come in first, just playing well by my own standards is good enough They really are capable of making a near perfect product, but seem to purposely fall short and even leave exploits open every year in order to keep us wanting more in "next year's" version. So yes, it's not just kind of cheap but very cheap. And i'm sure many people use it online, tho most here are probably honest enough not to. But that's a loaded question you ask, because there's no way anyone who does use it extensively would ever admit to it
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Post by ian1983 on Jun 22, 2009 19:36:09 GMT -5
The best round I posted w/ no putt preview was using this trick. I think I will try to be like you and just do the best I can from now on. It just sucks, because chipping sucked so bad in last year's version, it actually works really well in this one other than this pathing thing. Other major glitch I've noticed is when taking a few practice swings, the lie percentage will change from whatever it was (78% or whatever) to 100, but the actual lie doesn't change, just the number that is shown. I also had my first double eagle on the easy daily yesterday. "With the right spin this could go in" so i spun it like crazy and it did.
Overall, the game is a huge improvement. But I agree that it does seem they are almost purposefully screwing stuff up.
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Post by TheJokker on Jun 22, 2009 20:06:40 GMT -5
OK, this one is interesting, I didn't even know about it. I'll have to check it out to see how it works, sounds like another Cheature but I like to know whats going on. I was wondering how people are getting such good scores in the weekly tourney, I think I'm in about 7th place for the weekly tourney. It seems impossible to get a -41 for that event, I only shot a -25, but I did do a warm-up before my first 3 rounds, then another warm-up before my last round which I only shot a +1. Funy thing is I shot a -5 on my second warm-up, then shot +1 when it counted, haha.
This chip bug sounds like B.S., may stop playing live tourneys if people are doing that. Just as I was startin to have fun with it.
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Post by ian1983 on Jun 22, 2009 23:45:54 GMT -5
I don't know that *most* are, I would suspect MAYLEE is though, always several shots ahead on the pro tourneys than anyone else. Like I said, I only found it by accident, by chipping from the fringe like one might actually do in real life. So, now that's my new question, what is the etiquette for actual chip shots from the fringe/rough? Just take the first shot w/o warmup? But that doesn't seem right, because chips are rarely at 100% and I actually need to take a few practice to get 60ish% or so right. I'm actually fine with the tracing where the ball would go feature in standard swing, but I don't think it should do it at all on advanced for any shots, including the drive.
BTW- nice job on Wolf Creek Fred. That course destroys me. I was actually playing well til a double and a triple on 17/18... all on putting too.
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Post by TheJokker on Jun 23, 2009 12:02:40 GMT -5
OK, perhaps the chipping cheature is not available in Live Tourneys because I don't have any practice option when playin. The Live tourneys are about all I have been playin so far, just a few simul.... Could one of you guys please tell me how this chipping thing works, and in which type of event ?
It sounds like a really bad screw-up, if it does what I'm hearing. I just can't seem to figure out how to use it.
Thanx, TheJokker
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Post by giacomo on Jun 23, 2009 12:06:18 GMT -5
I see it in standard swing mode playing offline when taking a practice swing off the green by holding down A and B together. Take the swing and hold it- a trail will show up on your screen that shows the path of the ball, and sometimes where it will land. It isn't the same as putt preview, but it does permit adjustment of your shot that puts the ball close to the pin or in the hole. I've tried it twice in practice and haven't holed out with it, but have come within inches of the pin. Since I use practice only to adjust my % of power, I simply don't hold the practice, but hit B again to end it as soon as I see the power range. I'd say it's more like an All Play feature than a putt preview.
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Post by fredsc on Jun 23, 2009 22:13:09 GMT -5
Thanks Ian, i was actually on way to a very good round on wolf creek then started to choke a bit towards the end with couple of stupid bogeys. But saved it with couple of eagles late, including on 18 with a crazy long putt. Looks like putting becoming my forte, especially since i shank so much easier with M+ lol.
Back to try to explain the chip cheat. I would actually call it bonafide cheat and not just a cheature, because it's severely exploitable IMO and I would think it wasn't even their intention to have it set the way it is. It's a flat out exploit, but I'd only say that as far as using it on the putting green as opposed to the fringe/greenside rough. It's just like any other practice swing, and all practice swings (by holding B+A) show a trajectory for a few seconds. But chips are so low that the 3 seconds or so of trajectory the practice swing shows, is way too long and if the hole is close enough you can see the tracer actually go in or close to the hole. Because practice swings are unlimited, you can pretty much from short distances out, keep practice swinging chip shots and keep adjusting until you can see the tracer going in the hole.
Myself I don't feel like taking a few practice swings from the fringe or rough to guage power is an exploit even tho it shows this tracer too long. It's the ppl, and yes I agree Ian that I think Maylee is probably one of them, who would use this while ON the putting surface in order to #1 get around making tough putts, and #2 use it as an unlimited putt preview type of crutch that is not supposed to be available in the pro live tour settings. Settings or not, putt preview is only usable once, but this is an unlimited exploit. You can keep practicing and adjusting until you see your chip going in, then just repeat same swing w/o practice and it will go in.
Yes it could be exploitable too in actual chip shots from fringe/rough but if you're honest enough to only use this from there and not from the green, I think you'd be honest enough to not actually use the machine gun adjusts. Most of us as Ian mentioned would take practice swings to adjust our chips down in power. I would suspect Maylee of the actual exploit as well because those scores he/she posts are really always several strokes down from anyone else, REGARDLESS of conditions and that's just unrealistic to always be on top by that much in front of everyone else in a game like this.
Since we were going into this discussion in depth, I went back again and tried it a few more times and you can REALLY exploit this to get around tough putts, especially on fast greens. 3 or 4 holes in a row I purposely landed 4-10 yds from the cup and was able to hole out each time by using the exploit. To be honest for me, it was a lot more work than actual putting and not gratifying at all, but it is VERY exploitable for ppl who have no problem with cheating.
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Post by ian1983 on Jun 24, 2009 17:09:14 GMT -5
Sorry Jokker I confused you, Fred explained it well.
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Post by ian1983 on Jul 16, 2009 16:00:26 GMT -5
Bump on this... And wondering if we can have something in the rules for pro tourneys about not using this (honor system of course).
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Post by giacomo on Jul 16, 2009 17:18:33 GMT -5
Sounds reasonable to me. Let's test the waters with a poll.
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Post by clay on Jul 19, 2009 10:33:33 GMT -5
you guys that play all the tournys on line daily and weekly does every one who plays get paid.
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Post by ian1983 on Jul 19, 2009 14:15:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure. I think the payout structure has already changed at least twice. So I don't know whats going on with it now. I don't think if you shoot +5 you'll get paid, but I'm not sure.
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Post by clay on Jul 19, 2009 14:53:54 GMT -5
i dont in tend to shoot 5 over
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