TheJokker
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Post by TheJokker on Apr 24, 2009 14:38:12 GMT -5
Club Tuning - 101 Tuning your clubs is very important to improve the quality of your game. After reading what little the TW09 book mentioned about club tuning, I was originally nervous to adjust these settings. There is no need to fear adjusting these settings when you understand what they do and how adjustments will affect your shot. Everyone will most likely tune they’re clubs a little differently than other players. When you tune your clubs you are fine tuning all the clubs in your bag to how you want them to perform. Tuning your clubs will add power, loft (height), spin, workability and adjust your draw or fade. Those are the 5 simple aspects of tuning your clubs, it is NOT rocket science.
The club tuner uses a slide bar for making your adjustments. You need to tune your driver, woods, irons and wedges. When you tune one of these club sets, it is for the whole set, how you tune your irons is for all of your irons, etc. Below is a definition of the 5 aspects of club tuning followed by a few considerations regarding each of these adjustments. I will then explain my theories regarding club tuning and how I have my clubs tuned for an example.[/size] Aspects of Club Tuning: Power:Description - This adjust the power of your clubAffect - Adjust up (right) for more power, adjust down (left) for less power[/size][/color] Workability:Description - This adjust how much you manually Draw or Fade using your targeting circle arrowsAffect - Adjust up (right) for more workability, adjust down (left) for less workability[/size][/color] Draw/Fade:Description - This allows you to adjust for your natural Draw or FadeAffect - Adjust left to add draw, adjust right to add fade[/size][/color] Loft:Description - This increases the height of your ball and also increases the length of your shotsAffect - Adjust up (right) for more loft (height), adjust down (left) for less loft[/size][/color] Spin:Description - This is the natural ball spin, not your manual ball spin while in flightAffect - Adjust up (right) for more spin, adjust down (left) for less spin[/size][/color] Considerations for Club Tuning: Overall - [/size] Before you start to TUNE a club set , take a few shots and watch your ball. If your ball is GREEN you have hit a relatively straight shot, if your ball is RED then you have shanked your ball. Alter your swing style a bit until you can keep your balls in the GREEN. It is important to have a consistent swing style to properly tune your clubs. After you feel comfortable with your swing begin with one adjustment at a time, do not adjust your Draw/Fade until last. Adjust your loft up, then test it. Adjust your power up, then test it, and so on for each club set. After you have tuned each club set you need to set your Draw/Fade for each.Power - [/size] Be careful with this one, to much power will shank your ball more easily, turn it up just a little at a time as you get used to it. Your driver is the only club you really need to push up the power very high since it is the longest club in your bag. The key thing to consider regarding power is to get a nice balance between your clubs regarding distance.Workability - [/size] There are Draw & Fade arrows on each side of you targeting circle to manually adjust your draw & fade instead of twisting your Wiimote. Increased workability allows you to hook around trees further when you are in a position with a tree between you and the pin. When you turn up (left) your workability you increase the amount you can manually adjust for these. When you turn up your workability you also increase the amount your ball will SHANK with a bad swing.Draw/Fade - [/size] After you have tuned each club set you need to set your Draw/Fade for each. Take a few shots quickly and zoom (press A) to see where your balls land. Then take a few more and see where they land. If your ball is consistently traveling to the right side of center, then adjust your Draw/Fade to the left and test your shots again. Do this a few times until you have tuned for your natural draw or fade.Loft - [/size] When you turn up your loft your ball will travel much higher and clear trees and other obstacles better. The higher your loft is set, the further your ball will travel. For your short wedges however, with a high loft, your ball will not travel as far, it will be more like a flop shot. The lower your loft is set, the more your ball will roll when it lands. The higher your loft is set, the less your ball will roll when it lands. When you turn up your loft, your ball will be affected more by the wind. When you turn down your loft, your ball will be affected less by the wind.Spin - [/size] The higher you set your spin, the more distance you will get because your ball will roll further when it lands. The lower you set your spin, the less distance you will get because your ball will roll less when it lands. When your spin is set to minimum, your ball will STICK better when it lands, and not have a tendency to roll off the green. I use minimum spin for all my clubs.My theories regarding Club Tuning: Drivers - [/size] You want to set maximum loft to clear trees and get longer drives. Increase your power a little at a time as you get used to the extra power. You may want to reduce the workability for that club to minimize how far your ball will shank with a bad swing. Some players will turn up they’re spin to get extra distance from the roll. Other players will turn they’re spin down to help the ball STICK better when it lands to avoid rolling off the fairways and greens.Woods - [/size] You want to set maximum loft to clear trees. Since your woods are mostly for your approach shots you don’t want to push the power up to high so you will have a much lower chance of shanking your ball with a bad swing. You may want to increase the workability so you can get around obstacles better. Some players will turn up they’re spin to get extra roll. Other players will turn they’re spin down to help the ball STICK better when it lands to avoid rolling off the fairways and greens.Irons - [/size] Since your irons are usually headed for the green, you want to use a medium/high level of loft because you want to be more accurate and land close to the pin, especially in high wind. You also want to use a medium/high level of power so you have better control of your swing without shanking your ball. Since your approach shots are very important to land on the green, you may want more workability to get around obstacles better. Spin all the way down helps to STICK on the green without rolling off.Wedges - [/size] Accuracy with wedges is very important unless you want long putts. Since wedges have high natural loft you will want to keep loft set about medium. I prefer power at medium/high for just a little extra, especially out of the bunker. Workability at medium/high helps to get around obstacles better. Spin all the way down helps to STICK close to the pin, especially on sloping greens.My settings: Driver -[/size] Power - 90%Workability - 50%Draw/Fade - 50%Loft - 100%Spin - 0%[/size] Woods -[/size] Power - 75%Workability -75%Draw/Fade - 50%Loft - 100%Spin - 0%[/size] Irons -[/size] Power - 75%Workability -75%Draw/Fade - 50%Loft - 75%Spin - 0%[/size] Wedges -[/size] Power - 90%Workability -75%Draw/Fade - 50%Loft - 50%Spin - 0%[/size] I have tuned my clubs several times. After your first tuning you will most likely go back and make some adjustments several times until you have your clubs tuned for how you play. Having the best selection of clubs in your bag, for how you play, is also very important to get the distances you need for all the situations that you will find yourself in. Below is my club selection for an example.[/size] Driver - 8.5 deg.[/size] Woods- 3W & 7W[/size] Irons - 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 & PW[/size] Wedges - AW, SW, LBW & LW[/size] And of course a RADAR equipped PUTTER[/size]
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Post by maxtg09 on May 6, 2009 16:00:12 GMT -5
Thanks Jokker! I was having trouble getting some of them to work out. By the way, what is up with the "fix it" I tried it and everything went berzerk?!
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Post by TheJokker on May 21, 2009 15:27:44 GMT -5
Actually max, I have never clicked on the 'Fix It'. Anytime something is automated to adjust my settings on anything, I get nervous. I suppose I was nervous it would change something I could not fix. Now that I have lost any fear of club tuning, I didn't need it to fix anything, haha.
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Post by clay on Aug 1, 2009 14:17:12 GMT -5
how do you know what % you have on each club
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Post by broflowski on Aug 1, 2009 20:40:41 GMT -5
@clay, you don't get an exact percentage, but you can determine what your percentage is based on looking at your slider in comparison to the absolute positions for that option.
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Post by stpaulibhoy on Aug 15, 2009 8:21:51 GMT -5
I have a question, though it's not about tuning, per say... What's with all the wedges? You'd rather have them rather than a 6 and 8 iron? Does it help that much?
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Post by vousdeux on Aug 15, 2009 11:21:00 GMT -5
The percentages on the sliders coorespond with the number of clicks. Using the middle as a reference point, 10 clicks up from there would be 60%. Using the far right as a reference point, 10 clicks back would be 90%...etc.
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Post by Dude1956 on Aug 15, 2009 13:47:45 GMT -5
I have a question, though it's not about tuning, per say... What's with all the wedges? You'd rather have them rather than a 6 and 8 iron? Does it help that much? I find that carrying more wedges gives more options for approach shots. The closer to the pin you can get it the easier the putt. 5 irons in the bag is plenty to carry the fairway play for me.
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Post by fobama5 on Sept 2, 2009 8:17:39 GMT -5
Absolutely crucial to have lots of wedges in this game, especially if you've maxed out your golfer and can bomb your drives 350+ down the the middle. The difference in taking down somebody like Opa595 or the elusive DavidDuval is holing out close to half your approach shots in a given round, literally.
I like Jokker's club selection, I carry the same clubs expect a 2 iron instead of a 1 iron. Anyway, the wedges give you lots of options for those tricky distances that are less than 75 yards, and they minimize the amount of "tweener" shots you have to take.
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Post by longhitter on Oct 3, 2009 14:56:37 GMT -5
id get rid of that 7W and get another iron or wedge. unless your using your 7W constantly,i really think you should get rid of it.
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Post by woodstock420 on Jan 6, 2010 7:14:34 GMT -5
Hi Jokker .or anyone who would know...
Ive had the wii and this game for a month, now.Ive been doing the challenges (about 50% done),building up my persona,tweeking a bit at the club tuner,even tried a few days of daily AM online.Ive also been reading every post over here,(you guys are sooo cool) and over at the EA( so funny the drama over there,mostly involving 1 person,but still a great read for breakfast, lol).
So im very close and eager to joining you guys in chat and have some good rounds along with a few laughs, My question is : are these settings still good for tw2010 ?
Thanx
woodie420
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Post by giacomo on Jan 6, 2010 11:14:36 GMT -5
Hey woodie- the information is all still good. Note that the specific settings jokker provides are specific to him, though. You'll need to experiment with what works for you. Also, I've found that tuning is an ongoing process. My settings that worked great two months ago needed to be revised last month, and will need another revision before the current season is done, I'm sure. You may want to look at what Jeffro and glenmcd2 have posted on the EA site about tuning; and be sure to visit NoChinDeluxe's site at www.tigerwoodspgatour.com/ and see what he's posted. G.
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Post by jeffro09 on Jan 6, 2010 15:06:25 GMT -5
Woodstock- I would be more than happy to give you a private lesson in club tuning. While my method is certainly not the only method....and surely not the best method it has been fairly effective for all those who asked for help. There is just too much to post and it is easiest to do it live over the phone while your game is up. So PM me with your number, best time to call along with your time zone so I factor that in when calling. It would also be nice if you give me a name to ask for in case you don't answer the phone. It would be embarrassing if I called the number and a woman answers the phone "Hello"....Jeffro "Yes is Woodstock there?" The woman " I think you are about 40 years too late" and she hangs up . Jeffro
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Post by johnnyballz on Jan 6, 2010 21:41:40 GMT -5
woodstock, i'd take jeffro up on his offer man . there's a reason i call him Dr. J ! ;D by the way jeff, i think i may need a "tune up" let me know when u may have time. always interested in your new findings my friend!! regards, johnny
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Post by woodstock420 on Jan 7, 2010 5:13:57 GMT -5
It would be embarrassing if I called the number and a woman answers the phone "Hello"....Jeffro "Yes is Woodstock there?" The woman " I think you are about 40 years too late" and she hangs up . LMAO Yes Thank you Jeffro i will take you up on that...Should we wait until im done with the challenges and amateur season,or can we do this even if my persona is still not maxed out (60 %) ?? thanks again !
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Post by jeffro09 on Jan 7, 2010 19:13:24 GMT -5
It would be ideal if you wait until you skills are matched. But I don't mind doing it twice if you don't.
I must say that I did not see Jokker's excellent post reguarding the club tuning before I replied.
Perhaps you should follow what he has written and then when you are maxed we can see if there are any fine tuning needs at that point. You may find that you are playing so well after following Jokkers recommendations that you won't want to tamper with it.
If I see a PM I will call within the times you provide.
Jeffro
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Post by giacomo on Jan 7, 2010 21:03:30 GMT -5
Someone else has to win Season 5 Pro- there's no more room in Jeffro's signature space for additional awards!
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Post by TheJokker on Jan 7, 2010 21:24:59 GMT -5
My Club Tuning tips were tested mostly for TW09 and I tuned my clubs for TW10 the same way without to much testing.
Much to my surprise, Jeffro took it to the next level and discovered some differences for TW10.
My posting above is different than my current tuning after learning a few things from Jeffro
I would surely recommend any advice Jeffro has in regards to club tuning, he is very good at it and has a great understanding of how they work.
Club Tuning is a bit unique to each player, but a starting point as Jeffro suggested or even from my out-dated advice is a good place to start. Then you will most likely go back and re-tune every now and then. I went in and re-tuned my clubs a bit this morning.
Jeffro has done a way more extensive testing of TW10 than I have done
Dr. J is the man, TheJokker
P.S. hey giacomo, I am all over that, I want the next gold medal ;D
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Post by frenchy49 on Jan 8, 2010 3:01:19 GMT -5
My settings : DRIVER : Power :99% Workability : 1% Draw/Fade: 45% Loft: 51% Spin : 1%
WOODS: Power : 80% Workability :5% Draw/Fade : 50% Loft : 80 % Spin : 3% Irons : Power : 70% Workability : 7% Draw/Fade : 50% Loft : 100% Spin : 1%
Wedges : Power : 45% Workability : 1% Draw/Fade : 50% Loft : 53% Spin : 2%
My bag : DRIVER : 8,5 deg WOODS : 3W IRONS : 1 , 3 , 5 , 6 , 8 & PW WEDGES : GW , SW , LBW , LW & HLW And the Putter
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Post by woodstock420 on Jan 8, 2010 10:11:43 GMT -5
It would be ideal if you wait until you skills are matched. But I don't mind doing it twice if you don't. I must say that I did not see Jokker's excellent post reguarding the club tuning before I replied. Perhaps you should follow what he has written and then when you are maxed we can see if there are any fine tuning needs at that point. You may find that you are playing so well after following Jokkers recommendations that you won't want to tamper with it. If I see a PM I will call within the times you provide. Jeffro Thank you GIACOMO JB,FRENCHY (the frenchy from # 1 spot ??) ,JOKKER,JEFFRO !! !! I see that the WIIGA's reputation is not overdone ! You guys are so cool !!! Jeffro of course i will send you a PM when im ready for some fine tuning. In the meantime, back to the challenges, i will try to finish up most of them this weekend, then i will do my amateur season, all the while building persona and money.Once AM is done, I will PM you and you can guide me trough buying the right clubs and fine tuning. THEN I will make some space on my profile for one of those big medals that Jeffro has ! ;D Woodie420
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Post by woodstock420 on Jan 10, 2010 12:23:34 GMT -5
DONE with the challenges ! Finished off with 18 with Monty at Wenthworth (shot 51,all play), then the capper:18 with rocco and tiger at torrey ( shot53, all play)... That all play is a great teacher of wind ,approach,putt reading, should have used it before. Oh well back to the AM season....
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Post by twotall4u on Jan 21, 2010 14:44:25 GMT -5
I have a question about lofting your drive. Ive played since TW04 and have found that the 10.5 worked best for me on the older games. I tried the 8.0 driver out on those games and found that on over half the holes i could drive farther with the 10.5 than the 8.0 because of uphill fairways, trees and hazards.
I guess my question is with the club tuning, a 10.5 set at 99% loft is = to a 12.0, 11.0 or what. Ive never found a board about this and was curious. I would like to get more distance and keep my 10.5 driver. If i use a 8.5 driver and set 99% loft to it is that equal to a 10.5 because if that is the case then ill do it in a heart beat.
Any reply's on this would be great. Or PM me with some info
TY
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Post by SkinniePost on Jan 21, 2010 14:51:39 GMT -5
TwoTall... I will run a test when I get home tonite and give you the results... I've always been curious if changing the loft could equalize the drivers? I will post my results later this evening, darn job always gets in the way of my fun Later, SkinniePost P.S. I use a 8.5 with 53% loft and 0% spin... and note that both spin and loft effect the hang time and height, but only loft effects overall ball travel distance (well not totally true, spin has a smaller effect on total distance than loft) P.S. #2 For all the math geeks out there... I got bored over Thanksgiving and tried to reverse engineer the ball flight physics used in the game, including the Magnus Effect of spin on the ball in flight... It became impossible due to the fact I had to assume way to many of the variables used in the required equations (I was able to acquire flight distance and flight time through observation, and I used typical loft angles for clubs not listed, like the driver - But initial velocity was impossible to figure out...) I know, I know, I'm a nut
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Post by twotall4u on Jan 21, 2010 15:04:25 GMT -5
Ty Skinniepost
I realized that i can probably ivestigate this too when i get home in Tuning. Hit the 10.5 at default see where it lands then hit a 8.0 or 8.5 and 99% loft and see the dif. in ark and distance.
In theory im guessing that if setting your 8.0 to 99% loft makes it a 10.5 then it would end up being the same as the 10.5 set as the default.
Im guessing im going to have to suck it up and just hit an 8.0 or 8.5 and loose the loft because i want the distance
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Post by solp on Jan 21, 2010 16:34:00 GMT -5
Had a bit of spare time so I thought I'd have a go at this.
First off, reset all the sliders to middle position, then hit 10 shots with each club, recorded the distances then averaged them out.
Club Carry TD 8 280 318 8.5 289 320 9 289 318 9.5 291 319 10 291 318 10.5 291 315
Left all sliders to mid pos, put on full loft
Club Carry TD 8 271 300 8.5 279 310 9 277 307 9.5 285 303 10 283 300 10.5 283 301
As you will see the best driver it appears is a 8.5 for TD
This will be different for all of us because of bonus items and swing type etc..... But I hope this could provide some sort of benchmark, it would be good to see what some others come up with.
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Post by captmorganuk on Jan 21, 2010 17:18:40 GMT -5
Great advice guys and gals. I havent been playing TW on the Wii for long, I have played on PS2 up until this year so the club tuning is new to me and I really didnt know what to do with it. You guys and gals have an excellent site here, thanks for the tips and Im gonna give this a club tuning a try.
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Post by SkinniePost on Jan 21, 2010 19:27:17 GMT -5
And the results are as follows... The 8.5 goes the furthest, no matter what... The 9.0 and 9.5 are oddly very similar Then the 10.0 and 8.0 are also similar but less than the previously stated drivers, and the 10.5 brings up the rear. The results of adding power are obvious Loft and spin came out different than I expected, so the experiment was fruitful Adding or subtracting loft from the default equated to a loss of distance... For each 5 points of loft added, the result was about a yard less, and for each 5 points of loft subtracted a net loss of 2 yards was typical for all drivers. Spin surprised me... It works much different than loft. For each 5 points of spin added a there was a net loss of about 2 yards, and for each 5 points of spin subtracted there was a gain of a little less than a yard. Understanding the results of added/subtracted loft is easy to understand related to the flight of the ball, but spin is a little different... With spin adding spin decreases loft and adds roll, but the net result is a loss of distance, while decreasing spin added loft and increased distance of shot with less roll... So it seems like a no brainer to decrease spin to zero, unless you are worried about the effects of wind on your shot. These results were done quickly and by no means thoroughly, but I believe it would have followed thru if completed. The difference in distance for the different drivers at default is very little (5 yards from 8.5 - best to 10.5 - worst) so the key is keeping loft near default and dropping spin down to zero or close to it. Note: for some reason adding 3 or 4 points to loft on the 8.5 actually gives you a yard or two extra, but any more than that begins to reduce the distance. Caveat: This does not take into account different fairways speed and elevation changes... what I mean is for a down hill shot or a shot on fast fairways, lower loft and or more roll (i.e. more spin) the results may be different. If someone else has more free time than me... A complete breakdown would be interesting, but I'm too lazy to follow thru with that, so hopefully this helps understand the relation of loft and spin to driver distance on a surface level Peace, SkinniePost
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Post by twotall4u on Jan 25, 2010 13:20:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I did some investigating on my own and found that the 8.5 at max loft had close to the same elevation and the 10.5 at default but got me about 10 to 15 extra yards. I did some "spin" tuning but don't remember the exact % i set it too. Its somewhere is the 0-10% range.
While playing with my new club choice (8.5 instead of 10.5) i didn't notice any real dif. in flight trajectory but DID notice the added length.
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Post by klules664 on Mar 10, 2010 11:02:30 GMT -5
Ok, I have a question. I've followed all the instructions in your club tuning and I've found them to be very helpful for the most part. Apparently, I'm doing something wrong because I cannot for the life of me get the ball in the circle, I'm always short by several yards regardless of the club I'm using.. Am I missing something? I've tuned and tuned and tuned again and I'm always having the same result and trying to swing harder does nothing, what is it tht I'm doing wrong? Thank you in advance
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Post by giacomo on Mar 10, 2010 11:28:34 GMT -5
Are you getting 100% power on your swing? It sounds like you're consistently under 100% from your description. That's the only thing I can think of-
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