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Wind
Sept 12, 2009 9:03:06 GMT -5
Post by FireStricker on Sept 12, 2009 9:03:06 GMT -5
This is probably a hard question because everyone might play wind differently. Head & tail wind aren't as tough for me as left to right not to mention many might play the wind or others might use fade or draw. I watched a couple of the video's (thanks NoChin) & was surprised how little the target circle was moved (I have envisioned in my head more before the actual shot) left & right against 20+ cross winds. Any help on this topic is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Wind
Nov 10, 2009 8:43:41 GMT -5
Post by FireStricker on Nov 10, 2009 8:43:41 GMT -5
This is probably a hard question because everyone might play wind differently. Head & tail wind aren't as tough for me as left to right not to mention many might play the wind or others might use fade or draw. I watched a couple of the video's (thanks NoChin) & was surprised how little the target circle was moved (I have envisioned in my head more before the actual shot) left & right against 20+ cross winds. Any help on this topic is greatly appreciated. Thanks Now that we have another hurricane force wind tourney coming up at TPC Boston I'll open up this thread again. For some reason no one responded to this the first time back on September 12th. I know everybody has different approaches just would love to hear them from the experts.
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Wind
Nov 10, 2009 9:59:10 GMT -5
Post by oregonducks on Nov 10, 2009 9:59:10 GMT -5
Fire I woke up today thinking of this topic! After blowing up on the back 9 last nite at Boston. 29 on front and 39 on back. I was trying to figure out how I was gonna do battle in Rd 2.
Should I consider trying to use punch shot in wind more?? Though drives seemed ok to control, it was the wedge approaches in 23 mph winds that were getting me into trouble.
Fire, i would rather face fire than wind to get my ball to land where i want it! Any advice appreciated from the forum!
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Wind
Nov 10, 2009 10:17:47 GMT -5
Post by FireStricker on Nov 10, 2009 10:17:47 GMT -5
<<<<<Fire, i would rather face fire than wind to get my ball to land where i want it!>>>>> Is that a challenge Ducks? Meet me in chat tonight and we'll go out and practice a round of wind Send me a PM to let me know when your available. Thanks
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Wind
Nov 10, 2009 10:29:06 GMT -5
Post by putterrr on Nov 10, 2009 10:29:06 GMT -5
Hey Oregon
You could try to layup further back so you have a longer club in. The higher the wedge loft the more the wind will affect if. Try 3w off the tee if you can't get close enough for a pitch shot
Putterrr
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Wind
Nov 11, 2009 10:41:49 GMT -5
Post by etk1131 on Nov 11, 2009 10:41:49 GMT -5
Good advice, putterrr, thanks.
More to OD's point though, has anyone done any figuring on the use of the punch shot in these windy conditions? Thinking of trying it out offline when I have a second to see for myself, but was curious if there was any data already out there that I haven't found yet.
I'll post my findings if I get around to testing outside of an actual WiiGA round (where most of my testing/figuring occurs).
etk
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Wind
Feb 1, 2010 18:30:06 GMT -5
Post by twotall4u on Feb 1, 2010 18:30:06 GMT -5
In the wind i try to use Punch shots as much as i can on my approaches. You obviously have to be mindful of any HAZARDS that are in your ball path using the punch shot but i found that a punch gets me over more hazards than i first thought it would. IMO if your in high cross winds, heck ANY high winds, if your able to use the punch then use it.
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Wind
Mar 10, 2010 15:17:13 GMT -5
Post by blackhawks01 on Mar 10, 2010 15:17:13 GMT -5
I dont have many problems(per se) in windy conditions... It's just that its a constant challenge to "read" them. For instance: I was playing online the other day in a ranked SIM game. Winds were about 17mph. I would go up a club in the head wind and be pretty darn close(inside 15ft) most of the time. But then on a tail wind, I would drop down a club(figuring logically), and the ball almost flew the green... ?? Now, I know that dropping the club also raises loft, but come on... It also shortened the club 14yds. So how did it affect the shot that much if the up/down stats were the same? Just saying... It's a little bit of a "crap shoot" sometimes. Much like putts. It's 20ft and down 1ft. and you hit the shot 90% with a 20ft putter, and it drops... Then you have an 8ft put that's up 4.8" and I hit a 10ft putter at 90%, and it skips over the hole? LOL And I DO NOT use punch shots unless I'm inside like 80yds, or under a tree, etc. The few times I have tried them, the ball landed nowhere NEAR the target...
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Wind
Mar 10, 2010 15:50:08 GMT -5
Post by wayknow on Mar 10, 2010 15:50:08 GMT -5
Hey Blackhawks, Wind can be tricky.To answer your question in a general way.When you have a headwind, your ball is decelerating as it lands.The point from where your ball touches the ground and the point where it eventually stops is relatively small; depending on what club you use.When you have a tailwind your ball doesn't really lose any speed.The spot where your ball hits the ground and the spot where it eventually stops is dramatically lengthened; it's coming in fast and hard! IMO...I truly believe that too many players are looking for "black and white" answers to very grey questions.There is no empirical formula that works for all wind with all clubs, same goes for putting.One of the many things I love about this game is the marriage of calculation and "feel". Wind will effect a 3 iron differently than a Sand wedge; are the greens slow? are they fast? is it raining? etc. etc. I have found that one of the most useful things to know in regards to my clubs is..where does the ball LAND in relation to my aiming circle?How much roll out do my clubs have?I have a pretty good idea for all my clubs.If I have 7 iron into a green with a 14 mph TAILWIND..I try to figure out where is the ball ACTUALLY gonna land? and what is it gonna do after that? is it gonna stop? not with a tailwind! where is it most likely going to end up? I then adjust my aim..power..loft whatever you need to do, so that the ball ( in my mind) ends up where I want it to...hopefully I hope some of this helps Blackhawks.
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Wind
Mar 10, 2010 21:20:46 GMT -5
Post by blackhawks01 on Mar 10, 2010 21:20:46 GMT -5
Thanks Way. Yeah it does help a little. Most of that I already figured because being an avid golfer 98% of the same rules apply and are fairly accurate.
I guess it's just that sometimes things seem to have a mind of their own. Like for instance. I was hitting a 5 iron into a green today(par 5). It was like 190 with a 4mph crosswind. My club is like 205. So I went up 3 clicks on loft and let it rip 100%. Ball landed way short, missed the green completely, and landed on the front fringe. Then on a par 3 - 201yds, with a 3 mph head wind, I hit a 5 iron 100%(1 click) and it flies 38ft past the hole...
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Wind
Mar 10, 2010 22:01:35 GMT -5
Post by wayknow on Mar 10, 2010 22:01:35 GMT -5
I agree Blackhawks..sometimes things just dont react as they should.There are certain holes in the game that fall under this "WTH" category.There are some greens that are uphill 20 feet but dont play that way or downhill 10 feet and dont play that play.Also keep in mind,just like real golf,if your ball is on a slight uphill or downhill lie that will effect the loft of the club automatically. You mentioned the 5 iron shot with 3 clicks of loft.Is that AUDIBLE clicks ( 5% per click) or 3 single clicks (1% per click)?If your 5 iron is rated 205 and you did 3 "audible" clicks, thats approx. 15% reduction, actually its 11%..another topic . So if you decreased your 5 iron 15% from 205 yrds thats approx. 30 yrds.Landing your shot at about 175 yrds which would be 15 yrds short of 190 (approx.). I can't comment on your par 3 shot without knowing which hole it was.Par 3's are a totally different beast sometimes.Like I said before some holes are just unique in their own way.After hitting shots off the back of the green over and over again I eventually make a mental note on the hole and club down.Course knowledge Blackhawks...somethings just don't make sense in this silly game. Wayknow
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Wind
Mar 11, 2010 6:48:47 GMT -5
Post by putterrr on Mar 11, 2010 6:48:47 GMT -5
You mentioned the 5 iron shot with 3 clicks of loft.Is that AUDIBLE clicks ( 5% per click) or 3 single clicks (1% per click)?If your 5 iron is rated 205 and you did 3 "audible" clicks, thats approx. 15% reduction, actually its 11%..another topic . So if you decreased your 5 iron 15% from 205 yrds thats approx. 30 yrds.Landing your shot at about 175 yrds which would be 15 yrds short of 190 (approx.). Wayknow People play different and have clubs tuned differrent so here is my take. In the above example if I used 3 clicks and expected my ball to land at 175 then I would definitely be over the green every time. I use yard reductions for clicks and not %. For audible 3 clicks on the 5 iron at 205 yards, i would expect the ball to land at about 195. 4 clicks 191, 5 - 187, 6 - 183, 7 - 179 or 4 yards per click except the first one which is only about 2. Knowing this is only half the battle. As described earlier by Way, you have to know where to land the ball. Landing it at 195 with the pin at 195 yards will most likely result in bouncing past the pin. On soft greens and a 15 headwind (assuming 195 is the correct adjsutment yardage) you may have the right club. On fast greens with a 10 tailwind, the pin might have to be at approx 220 yards for shot landing at 195 to get close allowing for wind, roll out and spin. Some holes are very tough to get it close for lack of a landing area short of the pin. Hope this helps Putterrr
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Wind
Mar 11, 2010 9:25:47 GMT -5
Post by blackhawks01 on Mar 11, 2010 9:25:47 GMT -5
I agree Blackhawks..sometimes things just dont react as they should.There are certain holes in the game that fall under this "WTH" category.There are some greens that are uphill 20 feet but dont play that way or downhill 10 feet and dont play that play.Also keep in mind,just like real golf,if your ball is on a slight uphill or downhill lie that will effect the loft of the club automatically. You mentioned the 5 iron shot with 3 clicks of loft.Is that AUDIBLE clicks ( 5% per click) or 3 single clicks (1% per click)?If your 5 iron is rated 205 and you did 3 "audible" clicks, thats approx. 15% reduction, actually its 11%..another topic . So if you decreased your 5 iron 15% from 205 yrds thats approx. 30 yrds.Landing your shot at about 175 yrds which would be 15 yrds short of 190 (approx.). I can't comment on your par 3 shot without knowing which hole it was.Par 3's are a totally different beast sometimes.Like I said before some holes are just unique in their own way.After hitting shots off the back of the green over and over again I eventually make a mental note on the hole and club down.Course knowledge Blackhawks...somethings just don't make sense in this silly game. Wayknow I agree. happened again last night. flat lie in the fairway. 91yds to flag, hit LW which is 100yds, 8mph headwind. Went one audible click to the right. figured it'd shorten my club to about 95yds, and then the 8mph wind would shorten it another 4-5yds putting me right on the flag. Hit it 100% and the ball flew the green and landed in the rough at 101yds... haha I guess my question would be whats the difference between audible clicks and single clicks? I simply grab the club circle with the B button and move the arrow left or right til I hear the click. I'm assuming thats audible. Not sure what you mean by single clicks...
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Wind
Mar 11, 2010 12:02:37 GMT -5
Post by winteriii on Mar 11, 2010 12:02:37 GMT -5
Are you taking into account the relative elevation of the green? That would definately explain some of the problems...
As for audible clicks and single clicks: If you hold the B-button and tap left on the d-pad, you'll get a little bit of loft, but not necessarily a 'click'. Sometimes you have to tap the d-pad four or five times before you here an audible 'click'.
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Wind
Mar 11, 2010 13:54:53 GMT -5
Post by blackhawks01 on Mar 11, 2010 13:54:53 GMT -5
gotcha, thanks winter. I didn't know that. I simply held the b button and moved the controller left or right to increase or decrease loft when I heard the clicks.
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Wind
Mar 11, 2010 14:30:08 GMT -5
Post by wayknow on Mar 11, 2010 14:30:08 GMT -5
Are you taking into account the relative elevation of the green? That would definately explain some of the problems... As for audible clicks and single clicks: If you hold the B-button and tap left on the d-pad, you'll get a little bit of loft, but not necessarily a 'click'. Sometimes you have to tap the d-pad four or five times before you here an audible 'click'. That is correct Winter;sorry I wasn't very clear on that Blackhawks.If you tap the D-pad left or right; each "tap" is 1% loft change.If you Hold the D-pad down (left or right) you will rattle off Audible clicks that are approx. 5 % loft change each click. Rudolpho posted awhile back his wind calculations.He basically uses a 3:2 ratio or 150%.For example, if you have a 100 yrd shot with an 8 mph headwind.He would adjust his shot 12 yrds longer.3:2 times 8 = 12 yrds.I played around with this formula and it does work sometimes..other times not so much.It depended on the club. Another silly thought, are you sure you are not accidently clubbing UP when you change your loft? I have done that before not paying attention.
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Wind
Mar 11, 2010 17:25:15 GMT -5
Post by blackhawks01 on Mar 11, 2010 17:25:15 GMT -5
No, I have done the club change thing a few times on putting, but not on iron shots. But all the help/tips are appreciated.
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Wind
Apr 27, 2010 20:55:56 GMT -5
Post by clay on Apr 27, 2010 20:55:56 GMT -5
ok i went to the club tuner which has no wind and for a example my sw at default setting it will go 125yds but the club says 119yds now with a wind of 10 mph tailwind will the ball go 135yds or 129 yds.
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Wind
Apr 27, 2010 21:45:53 GMT -5
Post by giacomo on Apr 27, 2010 21:45:53 GMT -5
Clay, are you taking elevation into account? Uphill or downhill can make a lot of difference in distance.
G.
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Wind
Apr 28, 2010 0:05:25 GMT -5
Post by SkinniePost on Apr 28, 2010 0:05:25 GMT -5
Answer... 135 or farther, if the green is not set up for backspin. This is because in club tuner the ball bounces on the fairway, where in most cases the SW will bounce on the green which will make it go further... And like G says, elevation always plays a roll too...
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Wind
Apr 28, 2010 1:40:52 GMT -5
Post by HolyHutton on Apr 28, 2010 1:40:52 GMT -5
Even if the elevation is 1ft higher it will still make a difference so do account for it.
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Apr 28, 2010 10:56:29 GMT -5
Post by blackhawks01 on Apr 28, 2010 10:56:29 GMT -5
No Holy. I do not notice much of a difference in 1ft elevations. When you start getting 3ft+ yes, slight differences in how the ball bounces when it hits the fairway or green. When you start getting up over 10ft, there are adjustments you need to make or the ball will fly over the green, or land short.
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